Serby’s Sunday Q&A with Lionel Hollins

October 26, 2014 - photo frame

With a NBA deteriorate set to tip off this week, new Nets manager Lionel Hollins took a timeout for some QA with Post columnist Steve Serby.

Q: Will Nets fans suffer examination your organisation play?
A: we wish so, since we’re gonna go out there and get after it. As we told a players, “It’s not gonna be flattering any night — yet we still wish to win.”

Q: When we contend “get after it,” what does that mean?
A: We don’t wish anybody to ever out-work us. If we out-work a other organisation and we play together, we have a lot of chances to be successful. Because, it’s not customarily a talent. In any travel of life, it’s not customarily a talent. There’s people that are some-more talented, that are walking on a street, that, if they had event to be out here, we would be like, “Wow!” But they won’t attain out here since they don’t have a whole package that it takes.

Q: Do we feel improved about this organisation now than we did during a start of training stay or when we took a job?
A: we consider we have some-more talent than people give us credit for. we consider that healthy, we’ll be in a mix.

Q: Describe Kevin Garnett.
A: Very veteran … a unequivocally verbal, good personality … works hard. When we demeanour during a male that has been in a joining as prolonged as he has, his work ethic is a same as when he initial came in a league. Every day in practice, he’s giving me all he has, he doesn’t wish to lay out, so it’s been a pleasing knowledge from observant him and a approach he carries himself as a professional.

Q: You have to obviously, him being 38 years old, guard …
A: Oh yeah, we’ve talked about even days off from practice, stepping out of some drills and not perplexing to do any cavalcade like he was 24 years old.

Q: What creates him such a good leader?
A: It’s his maturity, and honour in doing things a right way. He has an unimaginable work ethic, and he brings that any day, that opens him adult to be an example. When we go out there and we give it any time you’re on a court, we can scream during somebody and tell somebody they’re not operative hard. If you’re occasionally in your work ethic, how can we scream during somebody else? You’re not gonna be a personality since they’re not gonna honour you.

Q: Who have we had in your prior stops that would be allied to him leadership-wise?
A: Nobody, really. Charles Barkley had a ability to attract a media, take a weight off everybody, from a vigour perspective. But as distant as how KG carries himself, we haven’t been around anybody utterly like that as a coach.

Q: That’s a oppulance to have a major like that, isn’t it?
A: No question. If we ask me about all of a players, we consider Deron Williams has stepped adult in his leadership. He and Joe Johnson and Brook [Lopez], all of ’em are holding some-more tenure in a team. we don’t know if it had anything to do with me. It’s customarily that they clarity that it’s a time. … That’s a customarily approach we can be a good organisation is if everybody out there — if we have a grill and we put an seductiveness in it, we wish to make sure, OK those dishes aren’t clean, we’re not treating a people correctly. Same approach out here. It’s not customarily your salary, yet it’s who people know we to be … as a group. So, as individuals, we gotta assistance a other guys turn better, and we gotta step adult and pronounce up.

Q: Deron Williams.
A: we hatred that a media has disparaged him so much. There’s so many expectations on a male when he comes to another organisation in a trade. And then, he got a large contract, and afterwards there’s even some-more expectations. To not be healthy to be means to do what he wanted to do is unsatisfactory for him. But a fans and a media didn’t utterly take it that way, and we consider he’s healthy now and he’s in a good support of mind, and he’s shown a lot of qualities. … Is he gonna be a 23-year-old Deron Williams? Heck no. But a Deron Williams that he can be and we see him being is going to be flattering good. And he’s gonna be one of a tip guards in a league, and that’s good adequate with me.

Deron Williams (left) and Lionel HollinsPhoto: NBAE around Getty Images

Q: Joe Johnson.
A: As he said, he’s a hooper. He said, “Coach, we don’t have to worry about me. However, whatever we do and how we do it, I’ll be out there.” we adore it. You got guys that have been in a joining a prolonged time, and they wish to tell we how they’re going to do it. we have a organisation of guys that wish me to tell them how we wish to do it. And it creates coaching fun. Not easy, yet fun (smile).

Q: Brook Lopez.
A: Brook Lopez is a large man. He can unequivocally measure a ball, and unequivocally smart, unequivocally a good male … unequivocally supportive to wanting to do all right. we infrequently perplex Brook since we still scream during him. And we said, “I know that we were perplexing to do a right thing, or we wish to do a right thing, and we consider you’re doing a right thing, yet it’s my pursuit to assistance we do a right thing.” we consider good guys like Brook consider since they’re perplexing to do a right thing, there should be no feedback — a disastrous feedback. And when we contend disastrous — constructive criticism. But my sign is: Even good guys have to be pushed (smile).

Q: You’ve gotta be a clergyman with opposite guys, right?
A: Well, we consider coaching is mixed tools of everything. It’s father figure, large brother, confidante, psychologist. … we have to know what creates everybody tick.

Q: Do we right now?
A: we consider we have a flattering good feel for it.

Q: Basically, we don’t wish them to be good guys on a court.
A: You could be a good male anytime we wish to be, yet we have to compete. When we compete, there’s conflict. Because we have one chairman over here perplexing to levy their will on another chairman over here who’s perplexing to levy his will — and when we got dual people perplexing to levy their will, there’s conflict. And, a chairman who’s stronger-minded, who’s a many aggressive, who’s a toughest — they customarily win out.

Q: Will your organisation be …
A: I’m perplexing to get there. It’s a process.

Q: Get where?
A: To being tougher, some-more aggressive. … It’s like we told [Mason Plumlee] after a game, we said, “Mase, we know we were tired.” But we said, “I didn’t care. we wish to see if we were going to quit since we were tired, or we were going to continue to try to play hard. Now, we competence not have gotten it finished since you’re spent, yet we can tell that you’re still trying. But when we stop and travel and customarily give up, that’s what we wish adult see — if you’ll do that, or if you’ll keep battling.”

Q: A lot of it’s mental toughness.
A: That’s what life is, mental toughness. The survivors, a ones that make it, are a ones that are mentally tough since life isn’t peaches and cream any day. And a diversion isn’t peaches and cream. It’s easy to win when we fire 55, 60 percent, 70 percent, a arbitrate gives we any call, we get any lax round rebound your approach … but, games aren’t that way. It’s like a good pitcher, when he goes out there and he doesn’t have his things and he still gives a manager 8 innings, and a measure is 1-0. It’s about a will over a skill, as Muhammad Ali said. And it’s true. That’s what foe is about, it’s commanding your will. And we can never quit, we can never behind down. And there’s times when you’re spiteful and you’re tired, yet we customarily keep plugging. And a one thing that we get out of all of that, win or lose, we can go home and nap during night meaningful that we laid it out there.

Q: What’s your clarification of mental toughness?
A: Being means to overcome all adversity. You’re blank shots: Are we gonna quit personification since we can’t make shots, or are we gonna try to do something else? When we need we to take a large shot even yet we missed a shot since you’re a male that’s been holding ’em all a time, are we peaceful to take ’em? Are we peaceful to step in there and take a assign when we got 4 fouls, we know?

Q: It sounds like we wish a organisation like a precinct we represent.
A: That would be good. My thing is, all about flourishing adult was tough. Everything about carrying success was tough. Overcoming adversity, obstacles … but, I’m a improved person, and we know who we am, since of those experiences.

Q: Biggest barrier we had to overcome was what?
A: Well, flourishing adult in a ’60s in America (chuckle) … in misery … a opportunities weren’t all there. There were a lot of schools that didn’t have black athletes in ’em even as we got adult to high school. Charlie Scott in 1968 was a initial black that played in a ACC. we had counselors advise that we go to trade propagandize and be an automobile mechanic. we had a male who we worked for during Denny’s advise that we quit propagandize and he’d learn me how to be a grill cook. … we demeanour at, from thoughtfulness when we was in it, we was customarily perplexing to survive. But we demeanour during it as America’s revolution, for freedom. Just like we demeanour during a [Berlin] Wall entrance down, customarily like we demeanour during Tiananmen Square standoff, customarily like we demeanour during a Arab countries and all of their uprisings.

Q: So report what it was like being a immature black male in a late ’60s, early ’70s.
A: It was one of survival. It’s one of perplexing to stay alive, and not be in a wrong symbol during a wrong time, possibly it would be in a wrong area with a wrong skin color, or traffic with police. … It was creation certain we stayed in my line so that we didn’t get hurt.

Q: Were we ever denied …
A: Many times. Couldn’t go to a certain swimming pool. We didn’t have a Little League ball organisation on a side of town. When we were bused to a other side of town, there was no late train so we could get home. If we weren’t on that initial bus, we weren’t removing home solely for walking, and if we walked, your life was in risk (chuckle), we know? And nobody from that side of city was entrance over there to collect we up, so we finished certain we finished that train any afternoon. … All those use make me a male that we am now, disastrous or positive. And we always contend that no matter what conditions you’re in, there’s something to benefit from it, possibly it’s disastrous or positive.

Q: Your organisation can demeanour to we as an instance of a kind of toughness that we wish to see from them.
A: No question. That’s since we substantially manager a approach we do and since we honour that aspect of a person, since life is tough. Nobody’s giving we anything. There’s no entitlements, there’s no we are due this — it was like, “Just give me an opportunity, open adult a doorway so we can … quarrel my approach in.” If we offering food to a bad person, they competence kick we adult since they had so many pride, like, “Hey, I’m able of working, we customarily need event for a job.”

Q: So a best thing that this organisation can be is a thoughtfulness of you.
A: we would like for it to be a thoughtfulness of me. Adopt that opinion that we persevere, we don’t quit, and we’re gonna contest and when a diversion is over, you’re gonna pat me on a boundary and say, “Hey, that was a helluva battle. we don’t wish to go opposite we again.” we demeanour during Apollo Creed in “Rocky.” He didn’t wish a rematch ’cause that child he was in front of, he kick him, yet he knew he was in a war. And we always feel like this: In competition, though that, mass can’t be born. If those teams that a Bulls played all those years to make Michael Jordan arise adult and do what he did didn’t contest a approach they did, Michael Jordan couldn’t have been Michael Jordan. He would have been Michael Jordan, yet there wouldn’t have been no drastic moments since they woulda customarily won easily.

Q: The Brooklyn Nets: Rocky Balboa in sneakers?
A: we like to contend Muhammad Ali in sneakers (chuckle). People don’t comprehend Muhammad Ali took some beatings to win some of those matches, from Joe Frazier and some others. As good as he was, he had so many some-more heart than all of those guys.

Lionel Hollins talks with Mason Plumlee during a new practice.Photo: NBAE around Getty Images

Q: Is Mason Plumlee prepared to take a step forward?
A: Well he keeps holding dual brazen and one back, dual brazen and one back. We gotta keep it going forward. He’s unequivocally strong-willed, and we like that about him. we scream during him, and he’s kinda a male that gets my rage any day … film event he gets it … yet he keeps entrance back, and to me, that’s a symbol of a winner.

Q: Bogdan Bogdanovic.
A: I’d like him to customarily play basketball and not worry about deferring … customarily go play.

Q: Mirza Teletovic.
A: Mirza’s gonna give me a lot of gray hair (smile). we remember [Spurs manager Gregg] Popovich observant about [Manu] Ginobli, that he didn’t know what Ginobli was gonna do half a time on a court, yet many of it’s good. we feel a same approach about Mirza. we never know what he’s gonna do. And a lot of times it turns out to be good.

Q: Coaches in other sports we admire?
A: My favorite pro manager is [Bill] Belichick.

Q: Why is that?
A: Because he’s tough, he’s to a point. … He’s not about all a frills of being a star, he’s about coaching. we like that. Nick Saban is my favorite college coach. I’ve spent time with him and contend in on meetings and left to his practices and … we customarily like a game. we like what it represents. Sports were combined to be extracurricular activities to rise men. It teaches teamwork, tough work, perseverance. Those skills were taken into a genuine world. And we still trust that, and we still thinks it works. When we demeanour during [Popovich], nobody calls him aged school. But he feels a same way. And he’s my favorite pro coach. Phil Jackson — a same way. It has zero to do with age, it has to do with perplexing to build a successful group.

Q: Do we have a attribute with Belichick? Do we call him?
A: I’ve never met him. All by my career as a player, and even now, we watch interviews, we watch coaches and what they say. we remember when Phil Jackson took a Laker job, it’s like, “The players wish to win, they wish to do this.” He was environment a tinge for what he was gonna do with [Shaquille O’Neal] and Kobe [Bryant] before he even got there. He was laying a grounds [about] how formidable it was going to be, yet he was display what his expectations and final were, and they were already shopping into it before he got there.

Q: Describe a Lionel Hollins a basketball player.
A: Tough, assertive and intelligent. One that is a basketball actor contra a specialist. Versatility, if we can have a male that can play 2-3, 1-2, 4-5, it unequivocally helps in terms of removing mins for all your guys that you’re gonna play. It unequivocally creates it easier on we rotation-wise. But flexibility also allows we to play mixed styles.

Q: What won’t we tolerate?
A: we will not endure not personification hard. we will not endure not personification together, and quitting. There are some other things. … That’s not opposite a house — we competence endure something with a star actor before I’ll endure it with a immature player.

Q: How do we motivate?
A: we demand, have expectations, yet we also rise relationships. we trust that clear to players and removing their side of a story and vouchsafing them know where we am, who we am, how we do things is important. we don’t wish to just, “You gotta do it since it’s my approach — this is since we’re doing it. This is what we think. What do we think?” Well, your knowledge is a small bit limited, we haven’t unequivocally won if you’re a actor that’s never been on a winning team. … There’s certain things that we share with them. And we consider I’m very, unequivocally open and blunt. I’m not one to try to soft-sell. It is what it is. We’re in a business of perplexing to get it done, and we wish we to know you’re not removing it done, I’m gonna tell you.

Q: Does this outline fit you: no-nonsense … tough yet satisfactory … old-school?
A: we don’t like a old-school partial (smile). we consider fortify — not a fortify of fining somebody ’cause they’re late — yet a fortify of doing your job, a right approach all a time, 100 percent — is not old-school. That’s about being successful, possibly it be on this jaunty field, or in life. It’s a same fortify that we need. we trust in doing your job, doing it to a max, and being veteran about doing it. And being a good guy. You’re customarily a basketball player, you’re not somebody that can cancer or anything like that. So those are a forms of things that worry me, when guys consider that they’re some-more than this game, and they’re some-more than their teammates. we hatred when players say, “My ancillary cast.” Give me a freakin’ break. They’re your teammates! we don’t consider anybody in my epoch would endure somebody pursuit ’em a ancillary cast.

Q: You know former Buccaneers and Colts manager Tony Dungy.
A: Tony gave me some good recommendation that [former Steelers coach] Chuck Noll had given him, when he was a defensive back. We were going by a Allen Iverson conditions and a owners was unequivocally wanting him to stay and play, and we suspicion we indispensable to pierce on. And Tony says Chuck Noll told him one time: “Stubborn is a trait — if you’re right (chuckle).”

Q: Describe mythological former Trail Blazers coach, a late Jack Ramsay.
A: Disciplined. Focused. Prepared, organized. Competitive. Now there was a no-nonsense guy. Just a good person. He was like one of my alltime favorite all around. You have coaches that we like for certain reasons, yet we became good friends over a years.

Q: Bill Walton.
A: The Voice (chuckle). He’s a male who took me in when we initial came into Portland. Before we even started training stay really, he came and got me and started operative out with me, and we became friends. And he’s unequivocally constant to his friends, and it’s substantially gotten him in some-more difficulty than it should have, we know, behind in a ’70s. He was unequivocally radical. we consider he’s altered some-more right wing — not far, yet he’s altered a small bit to a right.

Q: Maurice Lucas.
A: That was my guy. Out of all a people that we played with and played against, that I’m friends with now — that was my guy. He took caring of me. He was my large hermit that we never had. we remember we bought a Mercedes, and we were out to dinner, and we had a flat, and we didn’t know how to change a prosaic (laugh). He stopped, got out, all dressed up, altered a prosaic for me. He kept people off of me in a games. He always had my back. And anytime he had a understanding to make money, he finished certain we was enclosed in it.

Q: Your Arizona State coach, Ned Wulk.
A: Coach Wulk was my second college father figure. When we was being recruited, there were a lot of guys — it was that epoch where all a white coaches were perplexing to act like they were black — perplexing to be buddy-buddy with black guys — “Hey my man!” and give an aged black handshake, and Coach Wulk wasn’t like that. He never betrothed me that we would start, he never betrothed me that he was going to be reduction than anything to me. Everybody wondered since we went to propagandize to play for him. Because he was accurately what we wanted. He was a male that was going to be tough, that was going to expostulate me to be what we wanted to be. Make me go to school, keep me out of trouble. And he did all of those things, and he also took caring of me as a son. When we indispensable something, he never shied divided from holding caring of me, introducing me to somebody that could. But he didn’t sell me to get me there. But he took caring of me after we got there.

Q: Describe your grandmother.
A: She was a many critical chairman in my life. we got a lot of her in me. Our kids contend it all a time: “You’re customarily like Grandma Margaret (chuckle).”

Q: In what way?
A: How we talk, what we do. What we say, we repeat after her all a time. She was my mother, my father. … we can pronounce to her about things that substantially many boys can’t pronounce to mothers or grandmothers about. She wanted me to learn a birds and bees and she went bought me a Playboy (laugh).

Q: She did?
A: She didn’t buy it. The male that she worked for, he had Playboys, and she got a couple, and she gave one to me. Now what grandmother’s gonna do that for a teenager? She was everything. She was a confidante. There wasn’t anything that we couldn’t pronounce to her about. There wasn’t anything that she wouldn’t pronounce to me about, and she had a lot of correct wisdom, and we reason onto all of that.

Q: If we could collect a mind of 3 basketball coaches in history, who would we pick?
A: Red Auerbach … John Wooden. … To extent to 3 would be really, unequivocally tough ’cause there’s some stream ones that I’d like to collect their mind like [Duke manager Mike] Krzyzewski. I’d even like to pronounce to Bobby Knight, ’cause a one thing we always tell people we honour Bobby Knight about is any male that stayed 4 years graduated that Bobby Knight coached. Not everybody can contend that. Now he could be oppressive and foolish in some areas, yet he was a good manager and a good developer of men. All his players are unequivocally successful in life.

Lionel Hollins pronounced a pivotal to coaching is to be constant to one self and not to worry about outward distractions.Photo: NBAE around Getty Images

Q: You were already in a joining when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson arrived.
A: When we pronounce about Magic and Bird, we put a whole Dream Team in a same boat. They not customarily were talented, they not customarily were competitive, yet they accepted a large design of a game. And that’s since we could take all those guys and put ’em together and have ’em scapegoat some of their diversion for a good of a team, and win a approach they did.

Q: Describe Coaching a Las Vegas Bandits on a International Basketball League.
A: When we got that job, we called George Karl — or he called me — yet he says, “It’ll be your best time you’ll ever have coaching.” Not utterly — coaching in Memphis with those guys was flattering good. But we had a garland of guys who wanted to be in a league, they reputable we since you’d been in a league, both as a actor and as a coach, and now, they’re conference all we say, they wish to do all we say. It was a good year. Unfortunately, we folded. There was a lot of income left on a table. But we had a second-best record in a league, it was behind Bernie Bickerstaff and his St. Louis team. But it was great.

Q: What drives you?
A: When we was young, fear of disaster gathering me. But I’ve overcome that. I’m not fearful to fail, I’m not fearful to lose, since my whole self-respect was tied to winning when we was immature — entrance adult poor, not carrying anything, that was a customarily approach we was equal to everybody was being on a jaunty field. we mean, not even equal — we was better. So that gave me good self-esteem. And we found out that wasn’t a many critical thing. What drives me is customarily … go out and customarily do what I’m ostensible to do, be successful. It’s so easy to fail. It’s so easy to lose. I’ve always reputable and favourite people that won. Like when we used to watch a Celtics and a aged Montreal Canadiens and a Toronto Maple Leafs — we used to get hockey on TV, and I’d watch it, and what it took for them to win. There’s gotta be something opposite going on with them than it is with everybody else. You demeanour during Boston and Philadelphia and how good they were and how good a Lakers were — there was something that Boston had, that those dual other good franchises didn’t have.

Q: And that was?
A: They had this middle enterprise to contest for any other, and not about stardom. The Celtics were one of a initial teams — we pronounce about a Knicks in a ’70s — a Celtics were doing that, personification and guys usurpation roles and sacrificing some of their game. we mean, we don’t consider that Sam Jones could have been larger if he was on a opposite team? You don’t consider John Havlicek could have been larger if he was on a opposite team?

Q: So how do we make that happen?
A: If we could clear it, I’d write a book. It’s any day, it’s being unchanging any day with your message. It’s expecting, it’s demanding. You’ll hear me, all year prolonged I’ll be observant a same thing. The summary is never different. Success summary is not different, disaster summary is not different. People try to emanate niches for themself when they’re over here essay books, and got this new indication and they’re creation money. But a existence is if we go mangle down whatever success book there is, a summary is a same — we gotta have a vision, we gotta plan, and we gotta work it, and we gotta persevere. ‘Cause there’s gonna be obstacles everywhere. we gave we one of my motivational lines: Everybody has a story. The successful people are always revelation we what they overcame to be successful. The people that aren’t successful are revelation we all that got in their approach and caused them not to make it. And it wasn’t their fault.

Q: As a kid, there were things that we wanted that we couldn’t have?
A: Every day. … Just a span of sneakers … a span of pants though holes in ’em (chuckle), to demeanour like everybody else, to not have a large gratification lorry to come around and give we that Spam and cheese and powdered milk, and have everybody pronounce about we and giggle during you. The humorous thing about it, they were all in a same vessel we was (laugh).

Q: What was that like for you?
A: It was embarrassing. We’d go to school, we’d have to go into one line where all a … ADC people, that Aid to Dependent Children line. … Everybody knew we didn’t have any money. And when busing took place, we were going to a other side of city and all a black kids were in that line ’cause they didn’t have any income to get lunch. Everybody knew we were poor. It’s embarrassing. But my grandmother always said, “Being bad doesn’t paint who we are. It’s customarily your circumstances. And we don’t have to stay in these circumstances.” And she used to say, “You don’t have to be dirty, and we don’t need to take and distortion and distortion ’cause you’re poor.” And she was a stickler for that.

Q: we consider New York’s gonna like you.
A: (Chuckle) Well, we wish they honour me for what we try to do, since everybody wants to have an opinion of how to do it. And, we have to do it my approach since it’s who we am. And I’m gentle with it, and if it works, that’s great. If it doesn’t work, they’ll get somebody else. But we can’t be what … Bill Cosby pronounced it, he says, “I don’t know a pivotal to success, yet we know a pivotal to failure, and that’s perplexing to greatfully everybody else.” So we gotta do it my way.

Q: You won a championship ring with a Trail Blazers in 1977.
A: It represents that we reached a apex of a profession, and they can’t take that divided from us, and when they pronounce about me they always pronounce about me as a universe champion. And that’s unequivocally important. There’s a legacy. It helps when we go manager kids, and it helps when we coach. Just from a fact that they know that I’ve been there, and that’s where they wish to get.

Q: Sacrifice was a key?
A: Sacrifice was a large partial of it. We had clever personalities. Jack always denied it. we said, “Jack, we know that was a tough organisation to coach.” You had Bill, we had [Lucas], we had me, we had [Dave] Twardzik, we had Herm Gilliam … customarily strong- willed individuals. And he customarily managed us.

Q: A check of NBA GMs gave we and Tom Thibodeau one opinion any as Best Coach and Popovich got all a rest.
A: (Laugh) Every time we speak, we contend this: I’m not a best coach, nor am we a smartest coach, yet we don’t care. That’s not my goal. My idea is to try to get my organisation to win. we would have voted for Pop.

Q: The China outing was your fifth revisit there.
A: First time in 1982.

Q: How is it opposite now?
A: Obviously, it’s some-more commercialized. we saw some-more Mercedes and BMWs and Jaguars (smile). When we went in ’82, there were no cars. It was all bikes, or buses. The supervision had all a cars, and everybody wore drab colors. Now, they got neon lights, and splendid billboards, and large malls with costly stores in ’em. The hotel we stayed in Shanghai, right subsequent door, shoot, there’s a mall that looks like it could be on Fifth Avenue.

Q: Favorite author?
A: Ken Follett.

Q: Favorite meal?
A: we eat everything, that’s my problem (laugh). The final one we had is a favorite!

Q: Three cooking guests?
A: we would like to go behind and have a cooking review with one of a generals, possibly Patton, MacArthur. Those guys were unimaginable leaders. When we investigate them, a things that they got finished — we should not have won World War II. We had some extraordinary generals. We substantially shouldn’t have won a Revolutionary War though George Washington. And even a Civil War, when we start meditative about all a generals that were bad for Abraham Lincoln and afterwards here comes on Grant. Leaders, people who have stepped over and above a typical — not for themselves and their possess stardom, yet to assistance a country, and to assistance a world. we can’t name them all off right now, yet there’s some extraordinary people that have come by a lifetime that have changed, since of their caring ability, to lead other people to do better.

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